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Post by shadowtolight99 on Apr 12, 2017 12:41:50 GMT -8
Not really a question thing. More of a place where people can talk about their views and opinions on LGBTQ and maybe learn more about it if they're interested.
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Post by Cнroмα on Apr 13, 2017 8:13:13 GMT -8
I am fine with people who are gay or who are lesbian, but to be honest, transgender makes no sense and shouldn't be allowed. If you are born male, it is WRONG for you to become female. It doesn't work that way, same goes for the other way around. If you are a girl, and you want to look like a boy, that's on you. The term is called Tomboy. HOWEVER, if the girl wants's to cut their breasts off and say they are suddenly a male, that is where I draw the line.
People who say they have no gender, who identify as dumb things such as (for example) Pyrofox (yeah people do that), I am going to not listen in on their fantasies. If they are born with male reproductive organs and they want to identify as a mailbox, sorry no can do. If they are born with a uterus and they claim they are gender neutral, sorry that's a female. I will NOT, and nor will I EVER play into someone else's delusions.
I am not trying to sound mean, but this is what I believe. There are only TWO GENDERS.
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Post by Mittens on Apr 13, 2017 8:20:39 GMT -8
It is no ones business who person loves assuming the two are consenting adults or are the same age or near (1-2 years). The government has no place in marriage. It's a private thing between two people. However it seems some state legislatures and individuals have a hard time understanding this.
Have you heard about what's going on in Chechnya?
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Post by UniversalAris on Apr 13, 2017 8:36:10 GMT -8
It seems this has been a huge discussion in politics as of late. However, I do think that because of the mass media only being able to select and post certain events in the world and its effects. As well as, this community only making up roughly 1-10% of the U.S. population, I believe the news should cover more pressing matters. I do not believe they should be discriminated in anyway whatsoever. There are many people that, just because someone sounds like they are part of the community or dress like it, they are harassed or bullied. This shouldn't be acceptable. However, the same goes the other way around. If someone is religious and they don't believe in LGBTQ marriages, they shouldn't be forced to cater to something that is against there beliefs. Or be discriminated for having an opposing belief system.
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Post by shadowtolight99 on Apr 13, 2017 8:57:13 GMT -8
I am fine with people who are gay or who are lesbian, but to be honest, transgender makes no sense and shouldn't be allowed. If you are born male, it is WRONG for you to become female. It doesn't work that way, same goes for the other way around. If you are a girl, and you want to look like a boy, that's on you. The term is called Tomboy. HOWEVER, if the girl wants's to cut their breasts off and say they are suddenly a male, that is where I draw the line. People who say they have no gender, who identify as dumb things such as (for example) Pyrofox (yeah people do that), I am going to not listen in on their fantasies. If they are born with male reproductive organs and they want to identify as a mailbox, sorry no can do. If they are born with a uterus and they claim they are gender neutral, sorry that's a female. I will NOT, and nor will I EVER play into someone else's delusions. I am not trying to sound mean, but this is what I believe. There are only TWO GENDERS. While I do see your point, gender is not based only on external genitalia. There are more things involved including dna, the amount of chromosomes a person might have because of a mutation, hormones, and chemical signals in the brain. Just like with being gay or lesbian, gender is not something a person chooses it is how they are born. Even if they are born with specific genitalia, that does not mean that they are that specific gender. For you to call this a "fantasy" or a "delusion" is out of line and the reason why transgender people and others who do not conform to their birth gender feel the need to hide who they are and destory themselves trying to fit into a society that is so bigoted and close minded that they would willingly harm others who are different from themselves.
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Post by shadowtolight99 on Apr 13, 2017 12:45:01 GMT -8
It seems this has been a huge discussion in politics as of late. However, I do think that because of the mass media only being able to select and post certain events in the world and its effects. As well as, this community only making up roughly 1-10% of the U.S. population, I believe the news should cover more pressing matters. I do not believe they should be discriminated in anyway whatsoever. There are many people that, just because someone sounds like they are part of the community or dress like it, they are harassed or bullied. This shouldn't be acceptable. However, the same goes the other way around. If someone is religious and they don't believe in LGBTQ marriages, they shouldn't be forced to cater to something that is against there beliefs. Or be discriminated for having an opposing belief system. I agree that people should not be forced to marry a same sex couple if it goes against their religion or be discriminated against if they are against LGBTQ. However, it seems to me that most of the people who discriminate against LGBTQ are what I would refer to as radical religionists who are not afraid to incite violence against someone who is part of the LGBTQ community and say that they did it because "being gay is wrong based on my religion" and as a result, people (whether they be part of the LGBTQ community or not) who are for LGBTQ rights will always target those who refuse LGBTQ because of their religion.
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Post by shadowtolight99 on Apr 13, 2017 12:49:25 GMT -8
It is no ones business who person loves assuming the two are consenting adults or are the same age or near (1-2 years). The government has no place in marriage. It's a private thing between two people. However it seems some state legislatures and individuals have a hard time understanding this. Have you heard about what's going on in Chechnya? I have not heard about what's going on in Chechnya. I'll have to look that up later. And you are right. The government has no right to put their noses in something as private as marriage (also abortion and such but that's a different thread topic). The government bringing this issue to the media has only made it harder for those that are part of the community because now everyone has an opinion on LGBTQ even if they know nothing about the community.
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Post by UniversalAris on Apr 13, 2017 13:28:41 GMT -8
It seems this has been a huge discussion in politics as of late. However, I do think that because of the mass media only being able to select and post certain events in the world and its effects. As well as, this community only making up roughly 1-10% of the U.S. population, I believe the news should cover more pressing matters. I do not believe they should be discriminated in anyway whatsoever. There are many people that, just because someone sounds like they are part of the community or dress like it, they are harassed or bullied. This shouldn't be acceptable. However, the same goes the other way around. If someone is religious and they don't believe in LGBTQ marriages, they shouldn't be forced to cater to something that is against there beliefs. Or be discriminated for having an opposing belief system. I agree that people should not be forced to marry a same sex couple if it goes against their religion or be discriminated against if they are against LGBTQ. However, it seems to me that most of the people who discriminate against LGBTQ are what I would refer to as radical religionists who are not afraid to incite violence against someone who is part of the LGBTQ community and say that they did it because "being gay is wrong based on my religion" and as a result, people (whether they be part of the LGBTQ community or not) who are for LGBTQ rights will always target those who refuse LGBTQ because of their religion. Unfortunately, in every demographic there are people who attack others. I do believe that there are more accepting religious figures than not, they just don't condone the action. The ones that are out there discriminating are the more louder ones (if that makes sense, if not i'll clarify). On the other side there are radical 'genderists' (lack of a better term) that do attack all people if they don't agree with the idea. Violence shouldn't be incited on either side. My personal opinion is that you can be born gay, lesbian, etc. but you shouldn't act upon the emotion. If someone is born with an attraction to their siblings, such as sister or brother, they are both consenting, but it would be taboo for them to act upon that feeling. I understand how tough it may be to restrict those emotions, but I do believe that relationships should be between a man and a woman. The family is the most important model for humans as everything that is learned from right and wrong is through them. Most political ideas are learned through them as well. Having that clear distinction in Father and Mother will help lead to a more clearly identified role for the individuals. A more concise and in-depth discussion of what I believe is in this PDF written (Which in no means were to harm anyone just to clarify the belief. It was written in 1995):
www.lds.org/bc/content/shared/content/english/pdf/36035_000_24_family.pdf
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Post by shadowtolight99 on Apr 13, 2017 13:38:30 GMT -8
I agree that people should not be forced to marry a same sex couple if it goes against their religion or be discriminated against if they are against LGBTQ. However, it seems to me that most of the people who discriminate against LGBTQ are what I would refer to as radical religionists who are not afraid to incite violence against someone who is part of the LGBTQ community and say that they did it because "being gay is wrong based on my religion" and as a result, people (whether they be part of the LGBTQ community or not) who are for LGBTQ rights will always target those who refuse LGBTQ because of their religion. Unfortunately, in every demographic there are people who attack others. I do believe that there are more accepting religious figures than not, they just don't condone the action. The ones that are out there discriminating are the more louder ones (if that makes sense, if not i'll clarify). On the other side there are radical 'genderists' (lack of a better term) that do attack all people if they don't agree with the idea. Violence shouldn't be incited on either side. My personal opinion is that you can be born gay, lesbian, etc. but you shouldn't act upon the emotion. If someone is born with an attraction to their siblings, such as sister or brother, they are both consenting, but it would be taboo for them to act upon that feeling. I understand how tough it may be to restrict those emotions, but I do believe that relationships should be between a man and a woman. The family is the most important model for humans as everything that is learned from right and wrong is through them. Most political ideas are learned through them as well. Having that clear distinction in Father and Mother will help lead to a more clearly identified role for the individuals. A more concise and in-depth discussion of what I believe is in this PDF written (Which in no means were to harm anyone just to clarify the belief. It was written in 1995):
www.lds.org/bc/content/shared/content/english/pdf/36035_000_24_family.pdfWhile I see your point, I have also seen the negative effects that people have suffered because they repressed their sexuality in order to be seen as "normal." While I would never go so far as to say incest should be deemed okay (because just ew, not okay), I do not believe that a person should repress themselves and their sexuality. Having to put on a mask everyday and act as if you are straight takes a toll on one's mind and can lead to many negative outcomes. Depression and suicidal thoughts are very common in people who put on this farce of not being who they truly are in order to fit into the strict mold society sets for us. While I understand that religion does teach that a family should be a man and a woman, father and mother, a person should not be forced to conform to this idea.
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Post by UniversalAris on Apr 13, 2017 18:36:24 GMT -8
Unfortunately, in every demographic there are people who attack others. I do believe that there are more accepting religious figures than not, they just don't condone the action. The ones that are out there discriminating are the more louder ones (if that makes sense, if not i'll clarify). On the other side there are radical 'genderists' (lack of a better term) that do attack all people if they don't agree with the idea. Violence shouldn't be incited on either side. My personal opinion is that you can be born gay, lesbian, etc. but you shouldn't act upon the emotion. If someone is born with an attraction to their siblings, such as sister or brother, they are both consenting, but it would be taboo for them to act upon that feeling. I understand how tough it may be to restrict those emotions, but I do believe that relationships should be between a man and a woman. The family is the most important model for humans as everything that is learned from right and wrong is through them. Most political ideas are learned through them as well. Having that clear distinction in Father and Mother will help lead to a more clearly identified role for the individuals. A more concise and in-depth discussion of what I believe is in this PDF written (Which in no means were to harm anyone just to clarify the belief. It was written in 1995):
www.lds.org/bc/content/shared/content/english/pdf/36035_000_24_family.pdfWhile I see your point, I have also seen the negative effects that people have suffered because they repressed their sexuality in order to be seen as "normal." While I would never go so far as to say incest should be deemed okay (because just ew, not okay), I do not believe that a person should repress themselves and their sexuality. Having to put on a mask everyday and act as if you are straight takes a toll on one's mind and can lead to many negative outcomes. Depression and suicidal thoughts are very common in people who put on this farce of not being who they truly are in order to fit into the strict mold society sets for us. While I understand that religion does teach that a family should be a man and a woman, father and mother, a person should not be forced to conform to this idea. I completely agree with the forced part. And religion shouldn't force people to conform to their beliefs, but try and convince people using the spirit and if the person disagrees not to be anything, but kind to the person even if they don't accept the belief. Depression and suicidal thoughts is something that no one should have to go through. However, I do believe that repressing those desires is possible without those negative effects. I believe that they could find someone out there that they feel attraction to even if they are the opposite sex. Though, like I've said before, even if they choose to be in a relationship I don't condone it, but NO ONE should be unkind to them just for the sole factor that they are part of the LGBTQ community. Ellen has done amazing things for people and she is part of the community. There are some things that I don't agree with in the media (you commented on this as well) how it has caused negative consequences more than helping. Such as, if someone is part of the LGBTQ community and is harassing someone religious and they comment back; the person is automatically labeled to be discriminatory and wrong. Of course this goes the other way too, but in the society now it is more common with that example. This doesn't mean I am saying that the other side does no harm they do their fair deal, but I believe a culture change towards being kinder people is necessary to solve that certain issue.
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Post by shadowtolight99 on Apr 14, 2017 8:02:31 GMT -8
While I see your point, I have also seen the negative effects that people have suffered because they repressed their sexuality in order to be seen as "normal." While I would never go so far as to say incest should be deemed okay (because just ew, not okay), I do not believe that a person should repress themselves and their sexuality. Having to put on a mask everyday and act as if you are straight takes a toll on one's mind and can lead to many negative outcomes. Depression and suicidal thoughts are very common in people who put on this farce of not being who they truly are in order to fit into the strict mold society sets for us. While I understand that religion does teach that a family should be a man and a woman, father and mother, a person should not be forced to conform to this idea. I completely agree with the forced part. And religion shouldn't force people to conform to their beliefs, but try and convince people using the spirit and if the person disagrees not to be anything, but kind to the person even if they don't accept the belief. Depression and suicidal thoughts is something that no one should have to go through. However, I do believe that repressing those desires is possible without those negative effects. I believe that they could find someone out there that they feel attraction to even if they are the opposite sex. Though, like I've said before, even if they choose to be in a relationship I don't condone it, but NO ONE should be unkind to them just for the sole factor that they are part of the LGBTQ community. Ellen has done amazing things for people and she is part of the community. There are some things that I don't agree with in the media (you commented on this as well) how it has caused negative consequences more than helping. Such as, if someone is part of the LGBTQ community and is harassing someone religious and they comment back; the person is automatically labeled to be discriminatory and wrong. Of course this goes the other way too, but in the society now it is more common with that example. This doesn't mean I am saying that the other side does no harm they do their fair deal, but I believe a culture change towards being kinder people is necessary to solve that certain issue. You are correct that there should be a culture shift to being a kinder people in order to solve this issue. If everyone was kind and not prejudiced then most issues in this world would be solved.
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Post by Mittens on Apr 14, 2017 8:25:04 GMT -8
In terms of discrimination by businesses against groups, I say let them. No seriously let them. If they want to hold on to their beliefs so strongly that they could be run out of business by the community at large then let them. It only effects them and them alone, not us. Heckers, don't even need a law just put a sign in your business window that says "we don't like gays" or whatever and I'll avoid your store like the plague.
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Post by MechanicalHydra on Apr 27, 2017 16:38:18 GMT -8
Unfortunately, in every demographic there are people who attack others. I do believe that there are more accepting religious figures than not, they just don't condone the action. The ones that are out there discriminating are the more louder ones (if that makes sense, if not i'll clarify). On the other side there are radical 'genderists' (lack of a better term) that do attack all people if they don't agree with the idea. Violence shouldn't be incited on either side. My personal opinion is that you can be born gay, lesbian, etc. but you shouldn't act upon the emotion. If someone is born with an attraction to their siblings, such as sister or brother, they are both consenting, but it would be taboo for them to act upon that feeling. I understand how tough it may be to restrict those emotions, but I do believe that relationships should be between a man and a woman. The family is the most important model for humans as everything that is learned from right and wrong is through them. Most political ideas are learned through them as well. Having that clear distinction in Father and Mother will help lead to a more clearly identified role for the individuals. A more concise and in-depth discussion of what I believe is in this PDF written (Which in no means were to harm anyone just to clarify the belief. It was written in 1995):
www.lds.org/bc/content/shared/content/english/pdf/36035_000_24_family.pdfWhile I see your point, I have also seen the negative effects that people have suffered because they repressed their sexuality in order to be seen as "normal." While I would never go so far as to say incest should be deemed okay (because just ew, not okay), I do not believe that a person should repress themselves and their sexuality. Having to put on a mask everyday and act as if you are straight takes a toll on one's mind and can lead to many negative outcomes. Depression and suicidal thoughts are very common in people who put on this farce of not being who they truly are in order to fit into the strict mold society sets for us. While I understand that religion does teach that a family should be a man and a woman, father and mother, a person should not be forced to conform to this idea. Define "ew." isn't what is ew dependent on the opinion of the person saying ew?
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Post by Doomed Traveller on May 2, 2017 1:38:59 GMT -8
Treat them like everyone else; allow them the same rights and freedoms as everybody else. Their personal alignments on sexual issues aren't particularly relevant to most of us to begin with.
That being said, as much as they should be free of overt prejudices and discrimination, they shouldn't be afforded any special treatment either. Again, just treating them like everyone else is the way to go in my mind.
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Post by UniversalAris on May 2, 2017 7:07:28 GMT -8
Treat them like everyone else; allow them the same rights and freedoms as everybody else. Their personal alignments on sexual issues aren't particularly relevant to most of us to begin with. That being said, as much as they should be free of overt prejudices and discrimination, they shouldn't be afforded any special treatment either. Again, just treating them like everyone else is the way to go in my mind. Yeah, I believe this would probably be one of the best solutions. The problem is for some reason society can never accept this fact. The Civil Rights movement is over, but the media still presents racial divide and prejudice like it is a common day occurrence.
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